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The Chair welcomed everyone to the meeting and provided introductions.




Apologies for absence were received from Borough Commander Richard Tucker, Liz Philips and Councillor Sharon Waldron. 



To approve the minutes of the meeting held on 2 October 2017.


Councillor Douglas referred to the 3rd paragraph of item 8 (Chair’s Report – SNB Review) which stated the following:


“The Chair went on to say that support from Councillors had been lacking…”


Councillor Douglas stated that he had offered support and assistance and that the offer was turned down by the Chair.  He confirmed that the offer of support was recorded in an email which he could provide to the Chair if required.  The Chair suggested that the matter was further discussed outside of the meeting and said that he was pleased that Councillors had expressed a willingness to attend SNB meetings and assist.  Councillor Mahmud asked that the minutes were amended to clarify the aforementioned issue. 


Councillor Berg stated that he submitted an apology for absence in relation to the last meeting and would like them recorded. 


The minutes were not signed by the Chair.  The Chair asked that the minutes be amended and submitted for approval at the next meeting.




Advanced questions/comments to the YIAG must be submitted to by 4pm on Thursday 23 November 2017.


Representatives from the YIAG provided an update of the work they had undertaken since the last SNB meeting on 2 October 2017, which included:


Peer Training Workshops: For National anti-bullying week and as part of the Council’s digital month, the YIAG offered free peer workshops to schools on online bullying.  These were carried out from 13-17 December 2017.  The YIAG visited six schools (including a Pupil Referral Unit) and delivered workshops to over 260 pupils.  They confirmed that the students appreciated the workshops being delivered by young people like themselves.


Events/One-off sessions on key themes: On 22 November 2017, three YIAG members, with experience of the youth justice system, travelled to Leicester for the annual Youth Justice Convention.  They delivered a workshop to over 40 professionals, which included YOS managers, YOI/prison officers, senior education and health staff and academics.  They confirmed that they had received very good feedback from participants.


Police/Youth Engagement Events: YIAG representatives had attended regular police patrols and so far, over 21 YIAG and Young Advisors had attended patrols (one at a time) and fed back to senior management.  The YIAG also worked with PC Jason Hill, MPS Youth Engagement Officer, with his many events across the borough. 


Mental Health Youth Ambassadors: YIAG representatives confirmed that, after securing funding from iThrive, 7 mental health youth ambassadors had been recruited, which included 2 YIAG members with experience of Child and Adolescent Mental Health Services (CAHMS).


Feeding into strategic boards: YIAG representatives confirmed that their members represented the Communities Scrutiny Committee, the Children and Families Scrutiny Committee, the Healthy Schools Steering Group and the Stop and Search Monitoring Group.


Pan-London work: Two YIAG members continued to represent the Independent Knife and Violent Crime Prevention Group (KVCPG) which included key community members from across London.  The YIAG have also attended meetings with other youth groups in an attempt to tackle knife crime in the City.


The Chair commended the good work undertaken by the YIAG and described them as a good example for young people. 


Councillor Mahmud asked the YIAG how they found the Police patrols and whether they provided any feedback to the Police.  Jane Brueseke, Youth Engagement and Participation Manager, explained that the patrols were not as frequent as they would have liked, however confirmed that the aim of the patrols was for the YIAG to complete a feedback form which would be submitted to senior officers in the Metropolitan Police.  She confirmed that those from the YIAG who had attended patrols found the experience valuable and interesting. 


Fiona Martin, a Ward Panel Chair, asked for more detail around the activities that took place in the peer workshop.  A representative from the YIAG explained that they discussed bullying, healthy relationships and role models in detail, which included how children felt when they were bullied and who they could approach for support and advice.  






The Chair gave a brief introduction to the report, which provided an overview of the Partnership Knife Crime and Corrosive Substance Strategy and how it links with the Mayor’s Knife Crime Strategy and other local strategic priorities.


Alistair Macorkindale, Strategy Group Manager, presented the report and, in doing so, made the following points:


·         the fact that knife crime had risen dramatically in the Capital over the last year;

·         that there had been a series of stabbings in the London borough of Waltham Forest in the last ten days, one of which resulted in the death of a young man;

·         that Waltham Forest in not regarded as a priority London borough for knife crime, which was a substantial change from 2010-11 where Waltham Forest sat in the bottom 8 of all London Boroughs with regard to knife crime;

·         in relation to the Mayor of London’s consultation with London boroughs, results suggested that residents in Waltham Forest were most fearful of knife crime;

·         the fact that research undertaken suggested that many young people carried knives as they were under the impression that doing so made them safer;

·         Waltham Forest Council’s approach to knife possession was a preventative one – where the Council works with individuals and families in instances where an individual was known to carry a knife;

·         evidence in the Mayor’s Strategy that individuals involved in gangs were more likely to carry knives;

·         that ‘protect’ as referred to in the Strategy was about making the environment hostile to knife carrying, for example working with business to limit and monitor where knives were sold and who they were sold to;

·         the intention to implement a long-term behaviour change over the next one to two years; and

·         that the Strategy would be submitted to SafetyNet for final approval.   


The Chair explained that the Strategy was still in the draft stage so there was opportunity to shape the Strategy before final approval. 


A member of the YIAG stated that early prevention and visiting high schools was a good idea and added that it shouldn’t necessarily be schools with a history or reputation of students carrying knives.  She stated that the Strategy needed to be broader.  Mr Macorkindale agreed. 


Sandra DaCosta, Chair of the Stop and Search Monitoring Group, said that knife crime had previously been discussed at the Stop and Search Monitoring Group and asked how it was known that knife possession was high.  Mr Macorkindale explained that their data was acquired from the Mayor’s Office, who got the data from the Met. Police.  Ms DaCosta then stated that knife crime was a longstanding problem and asked how long funding would be available to try and tackle the issue.  Mr Macorkindale said that it was not really known.  He pointed out that despite the cuts to the Council’s budget, the Council invested approximately £0.5 million into the gangs programme. 


Councillor Mahmud stated that, with regard to funding the gangs programme, the Council had a good connection with Registered Social Landlords (RSLs) in efforts to  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5.



Advanced questions/comments to the Metropolitan Police must be submitted to by 4pm on Thursday 23 November 2017.



Mr Clements provided an update of crime within the London Borough of Waltham Forest and in doing so, focussed on the following points:


·         that terrorism, knife crime (particularly repeat offenders) and hate crime were priorities for his officers and that resources were deployed based on threat, risk and harm;

·         referred to four recent stabbings and one shooting within the borough and the consequential death of an 18 year old;

·         the need to consider whether the Metropolitan Police needed to better coordinate with their strategic partners on crime within the borough;

·         that the focus should be on prevention and the importance of the borough’s Police Officers being proactive;

·         the importance of consulting and listening to relevant members of the community, such as those directly affected by crime within the borough and previous offenders;

·         that statistically, crime had increased in the borough (offences had increased by 5 per cent and detection had increased by 4 per cent); and

·         the fact that incidents of hate crime had significantly increased, however confirmed that hate crime had been under-reported for many years and acknowledged that the increase in incidents could be due to an increase in reporting. 


The Chair referred to some of the crime statistics within the borough as published by the Mayor’s Office and expressed concerns that statistics, such as racist and religious hate crime, had increased and were significantly higher than neighbouring boroughs.  Mr Clements stated that some of the statistics which the Chair was quoting were not accurate and confirmed that the domestic violence category included any violence in the home or between family members.  He stated that there were actually fewer incidents of hate crime in Waltham Forest than neighbouring boroughs.  Mr Clements added that a reduction in offences might not be a positive as it could indicate a decrease in reporting of incidents.  He then said that incidents of rape and serious sexual offences were difficult to prosecute and confirmed that this had an effect on the confidence of victims and whether they were likely to report incidents. 


Councillor Berg referred to the fact that detections of crime were decreasing and asked whether there was a way of getting other agencies involved to assist with vulnerable people to allow the Metropolitan Police to free up resources in that regard.  Mr Clements confirmed that the Metropolitan Police’s resources should be focussed on prevention and stated that safeguarding vulnerable people was part of that prevention.


Councillor Berg then referred to the proposed merger of Waltham Forest’s and Newham’s Police services.  He confirmed that the merging of certain Police areas was a concept that was still being tested and lessons were being learned from pilots.  Mr Clements stated that the Deputy Mayor for Policing and Crime was to review the outcome from the aforementioned pilots and make a decision about whether to merge other London Policing areas.  Mr Clements also stated that the Metropolitan Police’s estate was contracting and that police officers were expected to be out working in the community.


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SNB Projects

The Chair provided an update on SNB projects and stated that one project was rejected as evaluation data was not forthcoming due to a technological issue.  He also stated that there was a number of standing historical projects that needed to be looked at.


The Chair confirmed that he was looking for members of the SNB to assist with the project work.


Access to Front Counters 

The Chair confirmed that he was disappointed with the outcome of the consultation on access to Police front counters.  He stated that he had spoken with the Deputy Mayor for Policing and Crime, Councillors and the London Assembly’s Police and Crime Committee expressing concerns about the lack of accessible front counters and Police Stations. 






Nominations are invited from Board members for the Executive roles of Chair, Vice-Chair, Secretary and Treasury.  Self-nominations are welcome.


The Chair confirmed that no nominations had been received for any of the available positions. 


The Chair indicated that he would like to again stand for the position of Chair of the Safer Neighborhood Board and left the room to allow the Board to vote. 


Philip Dundon moved that Philip Herlihy be appointed Chair of the Safer Neighbourhood Board.  There being no further nomination, the motion was put to the vote and, on a show of hands there appeared 5 votes forand 3 abstentions.


Resolved – That Philip Herlihy be appointed Chair of the Safer Neighbourhood Board.


The Chair returned to the room and Philip Dundon (Vice-Chair) left the room to allow the Board to vote for the position of Vice-Chair. 


The Chair moved that Philip Dundon be appointed Vice-Chair of the Safer Neighbourhood Board.  There being no further nominations, the motion was put to the vote and, on a show of hands there appeared 4 votes for and 4 abstentions. 


Resolved – That Philip Dundon be appointed Vice-Chair of the Safer Neighbourhood Board.


Councillor Mahmud stated that she was concerned that the positions on the SNB were not advertised and pointed out that people in the community that could be potential candidates for positions on the Board had no knowledge of the vacancies. 





The Chair confirmed that he was going to produce an application form for people who were interested in the workings of the SNB and confirmed that the Board needed people who represented issues which the community faced. 


Councillor Douglas stated that people should be invited as new members of the Board and that the SNB should not be self-selecting from a small group of people.  The Chair said that he had invited all SNB members to invite people that they thought would be interested in the subject matter. 


Mr Dundon suggested that ‘Membership and Recruitment’ be added to the next SNB agenda where they could agree a system for recruitment to the Board.  The Chair stated that it would not be a good use of the SNB’s time and suggested the subject was discussed outside the meeting at a later date.